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Christians dont understand Atheist Quotes

We are all atheists

I had a discussion with a Christian yesterday and our conversation moved on to a topic that ended in me trying to explain a quote that I really love.

She had many questions about Atheism but she was more curious about an Atheist Quote that I randomly used.

QuoteI contend that we are both atheists. I just go one god further than you. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

-Stephen Robert

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I gave her only the first half of this quote since I wasn’t trying to disprove her God. I was expecting her show signs of discomfort for calling her an Atheist but to my surprise, Her immediate response to it was that she does not understand what it means to say “I just go one god further than you“.

That was when it hit me. I see Atheist quotes & phrases on bumper stickers, T-shits and graffiti all the time and always thought that It was also read and understood by the Theists who walk the same path. But it never occurred to me that they do not understand what it means.

I explained it to her and she understood the quote the same way Atheists do (way to go, me!). Here I’ll try to elaborate on the quote so that more Christians would understand the quote that she herself asked me to post on my web-log. But first, its time to define Atheism & Theism.

* Theism: The doctrine or belief in the existence of a God or gods. Any belief system that includes at least one concept of divinity, god, or the supernatural.

* Atheism: The disbelief or non-belief in the Existence of a God or gods. A state that includes the lack of belief in at least one concept of divinity, god, or the supernatural.

Please note, I don’t worship Satan, Humans, Dragons, the Dead, or Aliens. Atheism is merely the lack of belief (or disbelief) in Theism.

That said, lets move on to the quote of the day. Everyone is an Atheist once they reject or show disbelief in any kind of Theology. A Christian does not follow the Holy Quran, A Muslim does not follow the Holy book of Bhagvath Gita & a Satanist does not follow the Holy Bible. I’m an Atheist because I do not follow any of the above mentioned books, I chose to go one god further than the Christian, the Hindu, the Muslim & the Satanist. Therefore we are all Atheists, in respect of the theology that we simply choose not to subscribe to.

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QuoteBut once you get there, what is it that an atheist would worship? Himself? Humanity?

These few questions from her were totally unexpected, I believed she was smarter than this, but maybe it could all have been curiosity. Of course, I do not laugh at these questions because who else is she going to ask? Who else to get better an answers than from an Atheist himself?

Atheists do not follow a set of theology and hence there is nothing that an atheist would worship. Then again, Its up to the Atheist to choose what he worships (remember, even a Christian is an Atheist). But generally speaking, referring to the true Atheists, They simply do not worship anything. Living does not require the need to worship. Sure I recognize the awesome feeling you get while praying. The sense of security you receive at Gods arms (If he/she has any), for I have prayed too, many moons ago when I was a Christian. But one can live without this false sense of security because once he puts away the idea of a protecting father above, he puts away the idea of the mean little red devil below too. Therefore, they do not require prayer. And is free from what I like to call “mind police

Praying to Humanity & Himself is an interesting topic, but The Atheist does neither of this. In Satanism, The book of Lucifer has many essays, It follows up on the concept of “I am my own god” with a full explanation of the Satanic egocentric view of the world. An Atheist never prays to himself or Humanity. But shares love for all human kind, out of compassion and just because we see the suffering the world is in because it is our compassion that sets us apart from other non-social animals.

I am my own god has somewhat become catch phrase for teen atheists, but its just because they want to piss off a few theists. Pagans have often been confused with Satanism, which is not true. I have respect for that religion, I’m yet to learn more about it, so I better leave it here.

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She agreed and said it was clear to her, but she further said,

QuoteOnly difference is that I believe I know and you are still unsure and are still searching.

As an Atheist, I disagree with that statement. Simply by going one god further does not mean I’m in an eternal search for the unknown or to find the true GOD(s). The planet offers hundreds of religions that I can subscribe to or go looking for a God. It is humanly impossible to test the validity of every bit of theology that was ever written. But this does not mean an Atheists will just sit & relax drinking tequila all day long once he looses faith in a particular religion. He further researches about God, if he feels the need for it. Who said God is necessary for living? Millions of Atheists on this planet are living proof that its wrong. Unlike Theists, Atheists are comfortable with the unknown. Instead of filling the gap with a theology or a Magical being, he simply says “I doesn’t know” and moves on with his life, enjoying every bit of time he has, watching movies, taking dates and doing all the wild things that every other human does. If you know me, you will know what a fun guy I am [*grin goes here*]. For an Atheist like me, to find the right sort of church or place of worship would require quite a bit of research and testing. Therefore I am able to think like a Theist (Maybe because I was a theist myself for 14 years), most theists are unable to think like their opposites.

I would really like to go on and explain about Morals since the need & no-need for worship & God came up in my blog, but I think I should reserve that for another day.

-Ruben The AnswerMan

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DanielNo Gravatar said,

August 5, 2007 @ 4:58 am

This still seems funny to me…I wouldn’t call myself an ‘amathist’ simply because I believe that there are untrue theorems (mathematical statements that could be formulated), while there are other theorems that are distinguished by a quality of truth. I don’t think it’s necessary to believe that any statement that could be postulated is true in order to consider oneself a believer in math, if there are compelling reasons to accept some statements over others. Ignoring those reasons and accepting no statements as true would also be fallacious.

RubenNo Gravatar said,

August 5, 2007 @ 5:11 am

@ Daniel, Seen a Calvin & Hobbes cartoon lately?

RostinNo Gravatar said,

August 5, 2007 @ 5:30 am

Not a usual reader.. I got here via StumbleUpon..

Anyway, it’s always seemed to me that that quote was taking liberties with the normal definition of atheism to make a point. But (ironically) you didn’t quite catch that, and now you’re expanding the definition for real. I think when most people (atheists and theists alike) use the word atheism, and they aren’t trying to be cute or clever, they mean something like just the first half of your definition, and there’s an implied “all”.

RubenNo Gravatar said,

August 5, 2007 @ 5:43 am

@ Rostin, Hey stumbler =] been watching you guys pop-up all over the place

I could have went on describing who Atheists are, but that wasn’t the point here. I wanted to point something out to my Christian friend, because she needs to understand what the word “Atheism” implies & She requested that I blog about it, So I’m guess more Christians would like to read this.

Of course, Atheism will always be a label for those who I mentioned as “True Atheists” (hate to use that word) later on in the entry.

rivalarrivalNo Gravatar said,

August 5, 2007 @ 6:48 am

“Only difference is that I believe I know and you are still unsure and are still searching.”

My response to her would be “You ‘believe’ you know, while I admittedly do not know. Therefore, neither of us can truly claim absolute knowledge. Of course, only one of us could be deluding ourselves”

Just because one finds an answer that works does not mean one has found the “most correct” answer.

MarkieNo Gravatar said,

August 5, 2007 @ 10:58 pm

I can’t believe we both blogged on similar things today!
I am like you said A Sceptic Agnostic! All I can say is that we both see the good in eachother, I know you don’t believe period and I don’t see you as some kind of Evil unlike some people who will argue that non-believers are sent from Hell
Respect to you my friend
Markie

Toni a.k.a. "Fruit Loop"No Gravatar said,

August 6, 2007 @ 4:29 am

I like the Calvin and Hobbs cartoon. It’s funny.

GeoffreyNo Gravatar said,

August 6, 2007 @ 7:52 am

Hello, I also [stumbledupon] this conversation and posted my view here:
http://www.thejesusmyth.com/?p=137#comment-977
Kind Regards,
Geoff

RubenNo Gravatar said,

August 6, 2007 @ 8:57 pm

@ Mark Rank, high five Markie!

@ RivalArrival Dave, you always come up with smart lines with a twist.

@ Geoffry, So you are ElectricBlanket! Read your comment there, will respond.

-Ruben!

drakeNo Gravatar said,

August 7, 2007 @ 1:06 am

Are atheist shirts really called T-shits? I guess there’s more I don’t understand than just quotes.

RubenNo Gravatar said,

August 9, 2007 @ 9:08 pm

@ drake - Thats why I said Christians are fucking stupid, just like you.

Emily LNo Gravatar said,

August 9, 2007 @ 10:49 pm

Very nicely stated. Mind if I quote some this?

RubenNo Gravatar said,

August 9, 2007 @ 10:51 pm

@ Emily, by all means, my dear friend.

Rated X ReadheadNo Gravatar said,

September 23, 2007 @ 11:54 pm

Hey I love this so very much… Ever since I think in the 80’s I always said I am my own god therefore anything I do wrong is not from someone elses fault it is that of my own misjudgement. I take full responsibility for my actions or lack of. No miracle god made me do it or it was his plan for me to be here…

I make my own path, blame nor phrase a god for the outcome.

Thanks for this blog my friend… I hope you don’t mind my reposting this onto my blog with link to yours.

Your friend

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